Comments on: Cheques and checks are both going nowhere http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/ Thought leadership from Consult Hyperion Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:35:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.1 By: Dave Birch http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/#comment-16829 Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:08:12 +0000 http://tomorrowstransactions.com/?p=2898#comment-16829 “Wow, you really like ranting,don’t you?”

That’s why blogging is so perfect for me.

“Whenever I read tirades like this I look for an agenda, perhaps even some declared self-interest, or some underlying logic”

You don’t need to look for the agenda, as it is explicit: electronic transactions are more efficient than papers ones.

“All I see here is a rant that young people (presumably anyone under sixty) must be mentally deficient if they contemplate using cheques, and therefore anyone over sixty, especially if they don’t / won’t use a smart phone, must be too stupid to be allowed to spend money.”

You must be getting mixed up, since I said neither of those things.

“So let’s pull apart a couple of your arguments”.

2% rise in cheque fraud. Not statistically significant”.

Irrelevant to the central argument”

No it isn’t, since I consistently argue for more secure methods of payments.

“If cheque use is down 12% then the numbers of cheque frauds will be down year on year as well. So you could say cheque fraud is down too (but you wouldn’t, would you?).”

I wouldn’t say that, because it isn’t true. Cheque fraud in 2011 was £34.3m, in 2012 it was £35.1m.

“Germany uses hardly any cheques. No Shit Sherlock. Have you ever tried banking in Germany? It’s a very different experience to the UK. As is Banking in France, for that matter. So too America.”

Nowhere did I argue that they are the same. However, if you are interested, I do have the figures to hand (from the European Central Bank) that show that countries with lower cheque use have more efficient payment systems with a lower total social cost, and this is what I am really interested in. I want the payment system to be cheaper, faster and more transparent.

“Comparing retail banking systems is like comparing national education systems, or driving, or cheese.”

Germany has a better education system, we are better at driving, the French make some good cheese.

“So the government wants banks to introduce photo chequing. Big deal. If you don’t like it, don’t use it, but let those who do want to use cheques – for whatever reason – carry on doing so.”

What I said was that if people want to carry on using cheques, then they should pay for them, but that government policy should be to manage them away.

“The banks are barely fit for purpose anyway, they remain deluded, desparate to sell you services you neither want nor need, and many would say their business practices are morally corrupt (‘morally’ being an optional word, perhaps).”

Now this genuinely is irrelevant to the point.

“The only good point you make is that a single, central cheque clearing database would prevent fraud. But the banks won’t do that in a month of Sundays and no government is strong enough to mandate it. One should ask why.”

Since the consultation hasn’t begun, I have no idea whether the banks will do it or not.

“The whole topic here doesn’t pass the ‘so what test’.
So not very much Thought Leadership going on here (whatever the hell Thought Leadership is anyway, apart from 3 grand a day).”

Not quite three grand a day as the Boxing Day sale started today.

“I can’t believe I’ve wasted minutes of my life writing this.”

That’s what thought leadership does: it sets the agenda. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Cheers,
Dave.

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By: RogerBW http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/#comment-16698 Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:25:18 +0000 http://tomorrowstransactions.com/?p=2898#comment-16698 Actually, the banks have already tried to kill off cheques, only to be met with a fairly large protest, so this is probably a populist move by the government. Forget small businesses — small non-commercial organisations, clubs, charities, need a way to receive money by post, and can’t afford the massive admin and cost burden of doing business with a credit card provider. Giving out a SWIFT/IBAN number in the UK still lets any random stranger set up a direct debit on your account. That might be a thing to fix first.

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By: PhilT http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/#comment-16525 Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:29:49 +0000 http://tomorrowstransactions.com/?p=2898#comment-16525 As a small time computer fixer I get paid quite often by cheque. I do have a portable credit card terminal but the lack of a signal from the network it uses can catch me out. It also relies upon printing a paper strip and if this goes wrong (as it often does) then it just cancels the whole transaction even though it had gone through electronically.

Some simple SMS based money transfer arrangement like m-pay or other emerging economy solutions would be better than cheques, but I’m not seeing systems emerging that are compatible with my 60+ yr old customers.

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By: Rog Banner http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/#comment-16373 Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:32:25 +0000 http://tomorrowstransactions.com/?p=2898#comment-16373 Wow, you really like ranting,don’t you? Whenever I read tirades like this I look for an agenda, perhaps even some declared self-interest, or some underlying logic.
All I see here is a rant that young people (presumably anyone under sixty) must be mentally deficient if they contemplate using cheques, and therefore anyone over sixty, especially if they don’t / won’t use a smart phone, must be too stupid to be allowed to spend money.
So let’s pull apart a couple of your arguments.
2% rise in cheque fraud. Not statistically significant. Irrelevant to the central argument. If cheque use is down 12% then the numbers of cheque frauds will be down year on year as well. So you could say cheque fraud is down too (but you wouldn’t, would you?).
Germany uses hardly any cheques. No Shit Sherlock. Have you ever tried banking in Germany? It’s a very different experience to the UK. As is Banking in France, for that matter. So too America. Comparing retail banking systems is like comparing national education systems, or driving, or cheese.
So the government wants banks to introduce photo chequing. Big deal. If you don’t like it, don’t use it, but let those who do want to use cheques – for whatever reason – carry on doing so. The banks are barely fit for purpose anyway, they remain deluded, desparate to sell you services you neither want nor need, and many would say their business practices are morally corrupt (‘morally’ being an optional word, perhaps).
The only good point you make is that a single, central cheque clearing database would prevent fraud. But the banks won’t do that in a month of Sundays and no government is strong enough to mandate it. One should ask why.
The whole topic here doesn’t pass the “so what test”.
So not very much Thought Leadership going on here (whatever the hell Thought Leadership is anyway, apart from 3 grand a day).

I can’t believe I’ve wasted minutes of my life writing this.

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By: @CherryHintonBlu on Twitter » Blog Archive » YES. Why the government should be aiming to put an… http://tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheques-and-checks-are-both-going-nowhere/#comment-16356 Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:49:53 +0000 http://tomorrowstransactions.com/?p=2898#comment-16356 […] YES. Why the government should be aiming to put an end to cheques and the “cheque is in the post” nonsense. tomorrowstransactions.com/2013/12/cheque… […]

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